Mud Racing

We will be running MRA rules for Hill and Hole and Flat Track in 2010 and if there is enough intrest we will also run the MRA rules for a odd weekend Bog race. The PRO BADD Race will run PRO BADD rules. Although the MRA rules do not allow youth drivers for National Points Events, we will still allow these awesome racers still run for LCMMC points and pay-outs as normal. If we are able to host a National Points Event we will allow the youth race but they will only recive points for LCMMC, and any monies and trophies earned. The 2.5 Ton races will be TGW rules along with LCMMC general rules. This link  http://www.mudracersassociation.com/rules/mra_hill_and_hole_rules.htm will take you to the MRA HILL and Hole rules...or you can go thru our link to the MRA site on the LINKS page

So..The racers will have no input on the rules for next year?? is this correct?? what happened ?? if i remember correctly some of us racers had said something about the aftermarket transfer cases in Hotstreet, Renegade, but u told us that the rules were set in stone for '09 and wait till the season was over to change the rules and now  the racers won't have any input on the rules for 2010. That sucks. hot(STREET) should have to run OEM transmissions and transfer cases. Renegade is a little iffy. An aftermarket transfer case is a big advantage over a OEM. if it wasn't the racers with the most money wouldn't be running them. Not trying to make anybody mad, butt if it does so be it.    

really an after market transfer case only gives u an advantage of being able to change the gear ratio it is actually heavier and hangs down lower which will make it drag sooner it really doesnt help u out all that much

so like on special events we wilkl only recive regular points for us young

Rusty you will still be able to race for the track championship and every point you earn you get to keep but you would not be able to earn any national points. You keep kicking butt like the last race and you are going to have alot of grown men back at the drawing board again !!:lol:

i'm not understanding if you want lcmmc points you can run what u brung but if you want MRA poin have to met their rules and regs yes or no

(NOONANEYED) at 11:01PM on Oct 07, 2009

i'm not understanding if you want lcmmc points you can run what u brung but if you want MRA poin have to met their rules and regs yes or no

NOONANEYED....We will be running just as usual next year.  The rules will be the MRA rules, which there are only a few changes that need to be made by some drivers 2 of them that I know is the disconnect switch on the rear of the truck and 4 wheel brakes.  Read them over and if you have any questions please call Darryl.

POINTS...We will continue to have our track points and championship as we have done the past years, nothing will change there.  The MRA members will also have the opportunity to attend the MRA point races and gain points within that organization and possibly qualify for their championship.

Unless you are in a beater car, we will never run what you brung.  This is a competitive sport and all competitve sports have rules.  Sorry.

some other changes I noticed assuming renegage hot street is the same as  MRA class 2 H&H are that you can have a fiberglass body and hydraulic steering but your fuel tank has to be in the stock location under the body.

My only concern is for the Hill & Hole class 4 rule is that MRA is allowing full tube chasis into the game for 2010. What happened to factory type or the 2 x 3 boxed frame rules.. I think these 2 frames should be the only 2 types allowed in class..

Mudracer at 02:19PM on Oct 07, 2009

really an after market transfer case only gives u an advantage of being able to change the gear ratio it is actually heavier and hangs down lower which will make it drag sooner it really doesnt help u out all that much

Mudracer, you are telling me that being able to change your gear ratio in less than 10 min. for track conditions and tire size is not a big advantage? you are lost and don't know what u are talking about. ya'll are hurting the sport by taking the little guy, that is not rich, out of it. if u gonna spend all that money, MOVE UP!!! its all about who's got the most money in modified anyway, so why does it have to be that way in the lower classes. good luck to ya'll next year lcmmp because everyone that i have talked to don't like your rules either, but its not about us. 

Blue By U... you were here for only one race in 2009, why would you comment on rules if you had no intention of racing here? There is no quick change in the top 5 for the points championship anyway in your class

Horsman at 02:58PM on Oct 09, 2009

some other changes I noticed assuming renegage hot street is the same as  MRA class 2 H&H are that you can have a fiberglass body and hydraulic steering but your fuel tank has to be in the stock location under the body.

fiberglass would be okay, but it cannot be race weight it must have imbeded hardware for stock replacement ( there for no weight savings )  Hydraulic steering has always been legal " just No Hydraulic Rams have been allowed"   The fuel tank must be in stock location only for class 1 . The general rules are over ruled by any class specific rule

doocrewracing at 09:31PM on Oct 13, 2009

Blue By U... you were here for only one race in 2009, why would you comment on rules if you had no intention of racing here? There is no quick change in the top 5 for the points championship anyway in your class

one race yes,if u remember i didn't like your rules then either. i'm not traveling 2hrs when i know i don't have a chance at all in placing in the top5. i would love to run your track but every year your rules for my class(HOTSTREET) gets more and more like modified street and fast money the points leader does run an aftermarket transfercase or atleast he was at the first of the year and that is another reason why i won't waist my time comming to your backyard track. we have folks opening a new track next year and alot of your trucks have been calling cause they dont like your rules for next year either. i'm done talking about this cause u are not going to listen and if u do its only to the chosen ones that call u all the time  ,its your backyard and u can run it any way u want to. but just remember this, u ain't got all the money and u ain't the only one that can dig a hole in thier backyard and call it the greatest. Goodluck! and GOODBYE! 

hey blue fast money has never had a aftermarket transfer case! its a divorced 205 case... maybe if you would do your homework you could build a truck to be in the top 5!

Darryl,

 No disrespect  intended I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page next spring, and I dont want to move my gas tank either but  >>>Below is off the MRA website general/ safety rules

Hill and Hole Classes #3, #4, #6 and the Tractor Tire classes, Will be considered Pro-classes

For the purpose of safety rules, All other classes in the categories of Pit and Hill and Hole - will be considered as Sportsmen classes.

Drivers Safety

A) - All sportsman classes - gas tanks must be in stock location. NOTE: Stock in cab tanks may be relocated - But must be mounted under the body of the vehicle isolated inside the frame perimeters. Pro classes - Fuel cells allowed as per class rules

        Also obviousley your right no steering rams were permitted in the past , The MRA  class 2 or general rules dont mention steering that I see>>>> will steering rams be permitted  at LCMMC in class 2 next year?

   Class 2 rules also say :     " 4) A firewall and floorpan must be present protecting driver from engine and driveline components. "

And the general/ safety rules say :

Body & Chassis

1. Firewall and floorboard must be of adequate construction to protect driver from engine and driveline components. (.060 steel or aluminum minimum)

  The class rules don't specify "factory" firewall like the old renegade rules so the question is can a class 2 truck have a .060 aluminum firewall?

 MRA CLASS 2:  Any OEM factory style front suspension allowed (I.e.) Ford coil spring suspension. (NO relocation of mounting points permitted)                                                                  

 Does no relocation of mounting points include the 6 inches of square tubing between the frame and leaf spring mounts trucks have been using on the front?

I'm sure these questions need to be clarified soon or someone will show up with these changes in March and 2/3 Of the class will be upset  because they dont have it.

 I know I dont race at LCMMC much lately either , but for living 900 miles away I still made 2 races this year and plan to make that many or more next year if at all possible.  as well as many tracks in between including MRA tracks and would like to see all the MRA rules interpreted the same at every MRA track.

    Thanks in advance for clearing these issues up.

 Ryan Horsman

This to Darryl , responding to the rules views of Blue by u...Let me say first, I could of only dream of having a back yard track like yours!!!!! As well as most of the folks in the USA would !!!

Second of all I would like to say, I remember the ONE race that Blue by U was at,,,Cause he was one of the guys I beat, with my 177HP, 4765lb STOCK JEEP running my first race at LCMMC in the Hot Steet Division... I now run STOCK , and don't finish in the top 5..... Rules are rules and they will always exist...Deal with it and LETS RACE !!!!!!!         Ol School SUV thinks the LCMMC staff does a wonderful job and I personally have never picked up on anything different.......We will see you in November with a lifted altitude..............

First let me say, after looking at my records I have found out I was incorrect about beating Blue By U ...... This truck did not race my first race and for this I am sorry.... Other than that, everything else I said I hold firm to.    Not to mention ALL the staff at LCMMC work hard to make our weekends there fun and a time to remember.....Everyone keep up the great works !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thought for the day  "There is more to making a pie than eating it"

Horsman..I understand what you are saying about..A) - All sportsman classes - gas tanks must be in stock location. NOTE: Stock in cab tanks may be relocated - But must be mounted under the body of the vehicle isolated inside the frame perimeters. Pro classes - Fuel cells allowed as per class rules ......... The key words here are Fuel Tank and Fuel Cell , My take on this rule is that if you have a stock tank it has to be in factory location not on top of the bed where it was not designed to be. fuel cell is designed to be installed in a variety of locations the only Hill and Hole class that requires a stock fuel tank is class 1.   Also Yes to hydrolic rams and to the firewall construction.  I will have some MRA REPS chime in on this one to clairify that my thoughts are correct

Darryl is correct in his reply above.

This rule pertains to stock fuel tanks, it does not pertain to fuel cells. If a race vehicle is equipped with a stock fuel tank, it must be mounted in the factory location, or as spelled out in the General rules. If a fuel cell is used it can be mounted almost anywhere besides in the cab.

Darryl,

 Thanks for clarifying your take on the rules, sounds reasonable to me.

 Also I'm guessing relocating the spring mounts with square tubing will be acceptable also.

I just gotta find a brake for each wheel now and I will be in business..:D